Wednesday, April 08, 2009
HISTORY NEVER REPEATS.
Steve of the legendary Kranepool Society linked to this post over at The Mets Police, regarding the Wilpons’ promise to commemorate the previous location of Shea Stadium in the parking lot.
I linked to it on the new MetsGrrl.com Tumblr (more on that below) and added a few of my own thoughts - but then I started to go a little crazy once I started thinking harder about it. I had been wondering about this, when we went to the St. John’s game, looking at the parking lot and how 70-80% of it was already completed and couldn’t see them being all that willing to repaint in order to paint the foul lines or the other markers that were originally promised.
And, within weeks, the Mets will mark the locations of Shea’s home plate, bases and pitching rubber with bronze plaques in what is now the Citi Field parking lot.
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But a Mets spokesman said the club doesn’t plan to mark additional spots.
I was going to start to say that I got it, and I understand that you can’t mark everything - and then I stopped.
Actually, I don’t understand. Why can’t they mark everything? I realize that in the annals of baseball history some of these events may not be earthshaking, but in the annals of Mets history, and New York baseball history, these events are important to us. This is OUR HISTORY. This is the Mets history.
Why on earth would the Mets not eagerly want to mark everything in the parking lot? EVERYONE ELSE DOES THIS. Why are they so boneheaded? Why do they utterly refuse to honor the team’s history? We’re not asking for bronze castings of the place where Endy’s feet left the ground before making The Catch (although I think that would certainly be a fine idea, given that his image on the Left Field gate is not that far away from where the Actual Catch happened), we’re just asking for SOME PARKING LOT PAINT!
This is not difficult, this is not impossible, this is not unreasonable, this is not excessive.
WHAT BUSINESS ARE YOU IN? WHAT DO YOU OWN? WHY WILL YOU NOT DO THIS? There are markers for the previous stadiums in St. Louis, Milwaukee, and I understand they do this kind of thing in Atlanta. I know the Mets don’t have the same longevity but that doesn’t mean that you don’t honor what has happened.
What is behind the utter refusal of the Mets organization to honor the history of the team in such a simple way? It is just beyond my comprehension that they refuse to do this. People are going to come to visit this ballpark from all over the country and the world (hello to my readers in Finland, the UK and Australia) and they are going to ask: where was Shea? Where was home plate? They will want to stand on the places that the famous plays happened, where Buckner let the ball roll through his legs, where Cleon caught that last out, where Jesse threw his glove in the air and dropped to his knees. Why are they being so obstinate in refusing to do this? Why are they refusing their role as guardians and caretakers of a heritage and a history?
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So this Tumblr thing - I come across stuff every day that I’d like to share but don’t have time to or don’t have much to say about except ‘cool’. So I’ll be posting that stuff there. Right now it’s also posting to my Twitter feed but that may change if the signal to noise ratio gets too high.
Posted by Caryn at 04:48 PM
i agree caryn btw hows the weather out there
i am under the impression that there will be statues and other metscentrric atractions one the stadium opens - the banners will allegedly fly on the the poles in the pepsi porch - i just cant see the wilpons having no foresight - especially after how vocal the fanbase has been - not to include more mets related history - i even think there will be a number retired by seasons end - call me crazy
I agree in some respects but I will also be pretty patient to judge…
One thing I learned from working at GABP for the first 5 years of its existence is that new stadiums take a while to grow in to their full potential. And representation of the teams history is one of the slower things to grow. I think teams and the entity’s that run their facilities are more focused on the business aspect of things at first. Essentially asking the question: How are we going to make sure this place is not a disastrous money pit?
I know from the fan perspective it seems like the amount of money we spend to enjoy the facility should be enough to keep that from happening. But sports more than any other business has a large amount of risk management involved. And if (bite my tongue) an awful injury bug sweeps a team and they lose 30-40 games in the first two months suddenly your faced with a tremendous stadium bill and less revenue coming in to supplant it. Because unless your the Bronx Nazis or the Cubs, if you stop winning, then people stop showing up and yes that includes the Mets and Red Sox look at both teams attendance numbers in the early 90s.
So in short. I trust that the history representation will come. As evidence of this a short list of things that were not part of GABP when it opened:
The Reds Hall of Fame
Statues/Mock Field at the main gate
The time on the third base line outside the stadium
The boat in center field
I’d rather them get some statues like other parks do. It’s sort of weird all the Jackie Robinson stuff as he was a Dodger. I feel like the Wilpons have been hijacking Dodger history for too long now. First Ebbots, not Jackie Robinson.
Anyway, A Tom Seaver Statue would be cool, no? Maybe tributes to the 69 and 86 Mets? I’d rather that int he rotunda than another teams legend.
As far as Shea goes, man I was so happy when they tore it down. There was always a lack of passion or something with it and all the cookie cutter stadiums of that era. But admittedly I’m not sentimental.
I just sometimes wish the Wilpons would have bought the Dodgers and let someone passionate about the MEts own them and forge their future.
Am I alone in this?
Who knows? Maybe I’m more aware of it having grown up in Vero Beach around the Dodgers my whole life (and yes I’ve been a Mets fan since 84). I just think Jackie Robinson doesn’t belong to the default NL NY team, which no matter how you cut it the Mets were started for. Why don’t we have Willie Mays tributes then? He actually played for the Mets too.
It just seems to feed into the whole Yankee-inferiority complex so many claim the Mets have.
i agree with u dave - it kinda irks me that wensdays game is jackie robinson nite - no offence to the robinson family - i have great respect for the man and his family - but we had a day for him 10 years ago and another one in 07 like i said in a previous post i hope the completion of citi field on monday will have some more metscentric touches that weren’t there last week but i for some reason not getting my hopes up
Rusty, there is a Jackie Robinson Day EVERY YEAR, and we are not the only team who does this. There’s a difference between marking the fact that Major League Baseball were racists and exclusionary and the rotunda.
You’re bordering on an attitude that does not fly here. There are sites where you can go have that attitude. Not here.
caryn - first off let me apologize to you im sorry if you think i was making a racist statement - i can sincerly say that i am not one - but maybe the comment i wrote was not the exact thought that i was trying to convey i respect jackie robinson and his contribution to society immensely and he is one of the most important men of the last century - i also respect his wife and the charity she represents all i was trying to say was i am disapointed in the lack of mets tradition being instilled at the park and yes i have been to jackie robinson days in the past - i just felt that mr wilpons love of the brooklyn dodgers was being shoved down our throats - should i have worded what i wrote diferently? sure - but please dont construe me as having racist views - i have been on this site for a while and you have reprimanded me once before and i have apologized for my sometimes childish behavior - as alot of us do sometimes . and if u feel i was out of line i am sorry
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I’d like the entire outline of the external façade painted out there.
I’d like the entire outline of the internal walls painted out there.
I’d like the basepaths painted out there.
I’d like the arch of the infield dirt painted out there.
I’d like a raised pile of tarmac connoting the mound.
It seems to me that we don’t need to wait for the Mets to do these things.
For we are the people. And paint is available at your local Sherwin-Williams. Tarmac is only a little tougher to come by and transport.
Edgy, I am honored by the visit.
I think of the Grassy Knoll in Dallas - there are spraypainted markings on the tarmac where the bullets hit. You know the City of Dallas didn’t do those, and at some point they stopped trying to fight the people who were doing it.
Not that this is the same. Or that we are creepy conspiracy theorists. Or that I would endorse vandalism of private property.
But there are enough cranky curmudgeons out there. I salute them.
Well, I’m not asking for a lot of anarchy, just a little. The sort implied by the nomiker “metsgrrl.”
But rather than get you in trouble, I’ll round up my posse over at the Crane Pool.
Great blog. Long-time reader.
I am down with current planning, FWIW. Tell you other Greenpoint representative to keep me in the loop offline.
i agree caryn btw hows the weather out there
i am under the impression that there will be statues and other metscentrric atractions one the stadium opens - the banners will allegedly fly on the the poles in the pepsi porch - i just cant see the wilpons having no foresight - especially after how vocal the fanbase has been - not to include more mets related history - i even think there will be a number retired by seasons end - call me crazy